Best Sellers (10/16/2009)

Weekly Feature: Here is this week's run-down of the New York Times Best Sellers List (Online 10/11/09; Print Version 10/18/09)


Hardcover Fiction
1. The Lost Symbol by Dan Brown
2. An Echo in the Bone by Diana Gabaldon
3. Rough Country by John Sandford

Trade Paperback Fiction
1. Say You're One of Them by Uwem Akpan
2. The Shack by William P. Young
3. The Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey Niffenegger

Mass Market Paperback Fiction
1. The Associate by John Grisham
2. Covet by J. R. Ward
3. Cross Country by James Patterson

Children's Books (Chapter Books)/Young Adult and Middle Grade Fiction
1. Catching Fire by Suzanne Collins
2. The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins
3. The Magician's Elephant by Kate DiCamillo and Yoko Tanaka

My Thoughts:
* Dan Brown: Third week at the top of the charts. Only one more week for my prediction. Come on, publishers, get me something new!
* I'm impressed by John Grisham's ability to stay at the top of the Mass Market list for two weeks. That list moves and shakes so much, that two weeks is a testimony to Grisham's mass appeal.

Your Thoughts: Any predictions about what might be able to topple Brown from his throne?

Best Sellers (10/09/2009)

Weekly Feature: Here is this week's run-down of the New York Times Best Sellers List (Online 10/04/09; Print Version 10/11/09)

Hardcover Fiction
1. The Lost Symbol by Dan Brown
2. An Echo in the Bone by Diana Gabaldon
3. The Last Song by Nicholas Sparks

Trade Paperback Fiction
1. Say You're One of Them by Uwem Akpan
2. The Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey Niffenegger
3. The Shack by William P. Young

Mass Market Paperback Fiction
1. The Associate by John Grisham
2. Tempt me at Twilight by Lisa Kleypas
3. Scarpetta by Patricia Cornwell

Children's Books (Chapter Books)/Young Adult and Middle Grade Fiction
1. Catching Fire by Suzanne Collins
2. The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins
3. The Magician's Elephant by Kate DiCamillo and Yoko Tanaka

My Thoughts:
* Dan Brown: Three weeks at the top of the PW charts (and every other chart) and counting.
* Oprah Winfrey: Uwem Akpan thanks you.
* To check out a review of The Magician's Elephant, click on over to Eva's Book Addiction (a blog highlighted in this week's Weblog Love on Wednesdays feature)

Your Thoughts: Tell me in the comments if my initial prediction of four weeks at the top of the NY Times list for Dan Brown (this is number 2 on the NY Times list for him--even though I missed last week) was too short.

Best Sellers (09/25/2009)

Weekly Feature: Here is this week's run-down of the New York Times Best Sellers List (Online 9/20/09; Print Version 9/27/09)


Hardcover Fiction
1. The Last Song by Nicholas Sparks ($24.99)
2. South of Broad by Pat Conroy ($29.95)
3. The Help by Kathryn Stockett ($24.95)

Trade Paperback Fiction
1. The Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey Niffenegger ($14.95)
2. The Shack by William P. Young ($14.99)
3. The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo by Stieg Larsson ($14.95)

Mass Market Paperback Fiction
1. Scarpetta by Patricia Cornwell ($9.99)
2. Divine Justice by David Baldacci ($9.99)
3. 92 Pacific Boulevard by Debbie Macomber ($7.99)

Children's Books (Chapter Books)/Young Adult and Middle Grade Fiction
1. Catching Fire by Suzanne Collins ($17.99)
2. Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins ($17.99)
3. [Elementary/Young Reader Book]
4. Tricks by Ellen Hopkins ($18.99)

My Thoughts:
* When I read the hardcover fiction list I was like, "WHAT?! No Dan Brown?" And then I realized that the Dan Brown juggernaut was unleashed on September 15, which means with the lag time of the NY Times, this won't show up until next week's list. Let's take bets on how many weeks it'll stay up top. I'm predicting four weeks at number one (because a lot of publishers were scared to release new books in the wake of The Lost Symbol).
* Don't you simply love the cover of that Nick Sparks book? (He makes me yearn for North Carolina. Hard.)
* There wasn't much change on the mass market list which sort of shocked the figurative pants off me. This list is usually flash-in-the-pan, but these three (although vying around for spots two and three) have found something worth reading.

Your Thoughts: Ante up on the wager regarding The Lost Symbol's dominance in the comments.

Best Sellers (09/18/2009)

Weekly Feature: Here's the run-down on this week's New York Times' Best Sellers Lists (Online 9/13/2009; Print Version 9/20/2009).


Hardcover Fiction
1. Dark Slayer by Christine Feehan ($25.95)
2. Alex Cross’s ‘Trial’ by James Patterson and Richard DiLallo ($27.99)
3. South of Broad by Pat Conroy ($29.95)

Trade Paperback Fiction
1. The Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey Niffenegger ($14.95)
2. The Shack by William P. Young ($14.99)
3. The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo by Stieg Larsson ($14.95)

Mass Market Paperback Fiction
1. Scarpetta by Patricia Cornwell ($9.99)
2. 92 Pacific Boulevard by Debbie Macomber ($7.99)
3. Divine Justice by David Baldacci ($9.99)

Children's Books (Chapter Books)/Young Adult and Middle Grade Fiction
1. Catching Fire by Suzanne Collins ($17.99)
2. The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins ($17.99)
3. Tricks by Ellen Hopkins ($18.99)

My Thoughts:
* Hardcover Fiction, enjoy it while it lasts. Next week (and for many weeks to follow, I presume), this list will be owned by Dan Brown.
* Young Adults, did I call it? I did call it, didn't I? I'm such a genius.
* By the by, the summary for Tricks is, "A novel in verse about five teenagers who become prostitutes." Well, what could be better subject matter for poetry that teen prostitution.

Your Thoughts: Go ahead and admit it, you picked up your copy of The Lost Symbol on Tuesday.

Best Sellers (09/11/2009)

(Sorry I missed last week.)

Weekly Feature: Here's a run-down of what's hot at the book stores this week (according to the NY Times lists posted online on 9/06/09, print version 9/13/09)...


Hardcover Fiction
1. Alex Cross's Trial by James Patterson and Richard DiLallo ($27.99)
2. South of Broad by Pat Conroy ($29.95)
3. The Help by Karen Stockett ($24.95)

Paperback Trade Fiction
1. The Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey Niffenegger ($14.95)
2. The Shack by William P. Young ($14.99)
3. The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo by Stieg Larsson ($14.95)

Mass Market Paperback Fiction
1. 92 Pacific Boulevard by Debbie Macomber ($7.99)
2. Hunting Ground by Patricia Briggs ($7.99)
3. The Brass Verdict by Michael Connelly ($9.99)

Children's Books (Chapter Books)/Young Adult and Middle Grade Fiction
1. Tricks by Ellen Hopkins ($18.99)
2. The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins ($17.99)
3. Sent by Margaret Peterson Haddix ($15.99)

My Thoughts:
* Dan Brown's The Lost Symbol drops this Tuesday (9/15/09) and everyone in publishing is kind of making a fuss as if it's the only book coming out this year (which it's clearly not), but I'm going to put good money on it claiming that #1 spot pretty quickly. People love a band-wagon.
* The second book in the mass-market list is part of a series (Alpha and Omega), but it's a lupine series and I'm finding myself wanting to read lots of books about werewolves. Mind you, I haven't, so I'm not sure what that really says, but (that being said) Hunting Ground would go on my imaginary werewolf-related TBR list.
* You might have noticed, if you're scarily obsessive about reading this, that I tweaked the title of the YA category slightly to include MG fiction. The third book on the list, Sent, is categorized as 8-12 (which is MG in my book), and I wanted to include it (maybe or maybe not because I didn't want the next book on the NY Timees list, L.A. Candy, to be featured).
* Also, is anybody else surprised that The Hunger Games is on the list and Catching Fire wasn't? However, Tricks came out a week earlier than Catching Fire, on August 25, so I can't really get a read on this category's timeline.

Your Thoughts: Post in the comments and let me know what you're thinking.

Best Sellers (08/28/2009)

Weekly Feature: Here's a run-down of what's hot at the book stores this week (according to the NY Times lists posted online on 8/23/09, print version 8/30/09):


Hardcover Fiction
1. South of Broad by Pat Conroy ($29.95)
2. Smash Cut by Sandra Brown ($26.99)
3. The Help by Kathryn Stockett ($24.95)

Trade Paperback Fiction
1. The Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey Niffenegger ($14.95)
2. The Shack by William P. Young ($14.99)
3. The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo by Stieg Larsson ($14.95)

Mass Market Paperback Fiction
1. The Quickie by James Patterson and Michael Ledwidge ($7.99)
2. Dean Koontz's Frankenstein: Dead and Alive by Dean Koontz ($9.99)
3. Dead Until Dark by Charlaine Harris ($7.99)

Children's Books (Chapter Books)/Young Adult Fiction
1. L.A. Candy by Lauren Conrad ($17.99)
2. Daniel X: Watch the Skies by James Patterson and Ned Rust ($19.99)
3. Shiver by Maggie Stiefvater ($17.99)

My Thoughts:
* South of Broad seems epic in scope (timeline and setting) and comes from a heavy-weight author. Might be worth a look, in my opinion.
* I refuse to acknowledge what happened with the #1 spot on the YA list (I guess by writing that I just acknowledged it, didn't I? Crap.). But, at #3: the NY Times summarized Shiver as "Love among the lupines," but the summary on GoodReads.com did it a little more justice. I've been on a real YA SciFi/Paranormal Romance kick (giving my brains over to zombies, etc.), but I haven't really read anything involving werewolves. I'm adding this one to my TBR list for sure.

Your Thoughts: Post in the comments and let me know which of these new books flips your switch.

Best Sellers (08/21/2009)

Weekly Feature: Here's a run-down of what's hot at the book stores this week (according to the NY Times lists posted online on 8/16/09, print version 8/23/09):


Hardcover Fiction
1. Bad Moon Rising by Sherrilyn Kenyon ($24.99)
2. That Old Magic Cape by Richard Russo ($25.95)
3. The Help by Kathryn Stockett ($24.95)

Trade Paperback Fiction
1. The Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey Niffenegger ($14.95)
2. The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo by Stieg Larsson ($14.95)
3. The Shack by William P. Young ($14.99)

Mass Market Paperback Fiction
1. Bengal's Heart by Lora Leigh ($7.99)
2. Dean Koontz's Frankenstein: Dead and Alive by Dean Koontz ($9.99)
3. The Quickie by James Patterson and Michael Ledwidge ($7.99)

Children's Books (Chapter Books)/Young Adult Fiction
1. Daniel X: Watch the Skies by James Patterson and Ned Rust ($19.99)
2. L.A. Candy by Lauren Conrad ($17.99)
3. Along for the Ride by Sarah Dessen ($19.99)

My Thoughts:
* I'm so excited for one of my favorite authors, Richard Russo, to hit #2. And with a heavy piece of literary fiction, no less. Quite a feat. I'm a little perplexed about The Help making it up to #3 (it was #4 last week) but it came out back in February, so I'm surprised that people are buying it now. Usually this particular portion of the list is so flash-in-the-pan-genre-heavy that this one suprises me.
* No change on the trade paperback list this week. I wish I'd put forth the effort to look at actual numbers of units sold (if that information were available) because I'll be interested to see just how much The Time Traveler's Wife fluctuates immediately after the release of the movie.
* I was a little confused about the plotline of Bengal's Heart, as written by the NY Times ("A reporter and a sexy Bengal try to uncover why the Breeds have been accused of harboring a serial killer.") until I checked out the author's website and saw that The Breeds is a serial romance series. That cleared things up a little for me.
* No changes on the YA list. I wish things would switch up more often, but at least Lauren Conrad didn't reclaim the top spot. There's something to be said for taht.

Your Thoughts: Post in the comments and let me know which of these new books flips your switch.

Best Sellers (08/14/2009)

Weekly Feature: Here's a run-down of what's hot at the book stores this week (according to the NY Times lists posted online on 8/7/09, print version 8/14/09):


Hardcover Fiction
1. The Girl Who Played With Fire by Stieg Larsson ($25.95)
2. The Defector by Daniel Silva ($26.95)
3. Best Friends Forever by Jennifer Weiner ($26.99)

Trade Paperback Fiction
1. The Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey Niffenegger ($14.95)
2. The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo by Stieg Larsson ($14.95)
3. The Shack by William P. Young ($14.99)

Mass Market Paperback Fiction
1. Dean Koontz's Frankenstein: Dead and Alive by Dean Koontz ($9.99)
2. Smoke Screen by Sandra Brown ($9.99)
3. Mastered by Love by Stephanie Laurens ($7.99)

Children's Books (Chapter Books)/Young Adult Fiction
1. Daniel X: Watch the Skies by James Patterson and Ned Rust ($19.99)
2. L.A. Candy by Lauren Conrad ($17.99)
3. Along for the Ride by Sarah Dessen ($19.99)

My Thoughts:
* No big surprises on the hardcover fiction list. (Actually, if you take a peek at the whole list, I thought #4 and #5 were interesting... but that's beyond the scope of this blog post.)
* No real changes on the trade paperback list this week. Larsson is holding steady on two of the major charts. (Too bad he's not around to see it. But you have to wonder if he'd be doing as well if he were still alive.)
* I've never read a Koontz book, but that title seemed awesome. I may have to check that out... $10 isn't bad for a book.
* I never thought I'd say this, but I'm so glad that James Patterson cranks out books because he has finally unseated Lauren Conrad. It is a joyous day and the angels are rejoicing in heaven. (Okay, maybe not on that one.) I may have to check this one out too... just to ensure that this non-LA Candy best seller phenomena lasts longer than a week.

Your Thoughts: Post in the comments and let me know which of these new books on our list seems most likely to be right up your alley.

This Week's Best Sellers (08/07/2009)

Sorry I missed last week... I was out of town.

Weekly Feature: Here's a run-down of what's hot at the book stores this week (according to the NY Times lists posted online on 7/31/09, print version 8/7/09):


Hardcover Fiction
1. The Defector by Daniel Silva ($26.95)
2. Best Friends Forever by Jennifer Weiner ($26.99)
3. Swimsuit by James Patterson and Maxine Paetro ($27.99)

Trade Paperback Fiction
1. The Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey Niffenegger ($14.95)
2. The Shack by William P. Young ($14.99)
3. The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo by Stieg Larsson ($14.95)

Mass Market Paperback Fiction
1. Smoke Screen by Sandra Brown ($9.99)
2. My Sister's Keeper by Jodi Picoult ($7.99)
2. TailSpin by Catherine Coulter ($7.99)

Children's Books (Chapter Books)/Young Adult Fiction
1. L.A. Candy by Lauren Conrad ($17.99)
2. Along for the Ride by Sarah Dessen ($19.99)
3. The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins ($17.99)

My Thoughts:

• I'm sorry I missed last week (and the chance to congratulate Jennifer Weiner because she's one of my faves). I haven't read Silva's work before, but the blurb on the NY Times page says the protagonist is a art restorer and occasional Israeli spy. (Interesting combo, huh?)
• Amongst trade paperback, we've got a new number one and I think The Time Traveler's Wife is being helped by the upcoming release of the book's film adaptation (which I won't be seeing because I loved the book way too much).
• Amongst mass market paperback, I haven't read anything by Sandra Brown but the blurb ("Scandalous deaths thwart the investigation of a fatal fire at the police headquarters in Charleston, S.C.") actually kind of caught my interest.
• No change on the YA list, and it still baffles me. Are teens (or their parents) just not buying books? I don't get it. Could somebody explain this phenomena to me?

Your Thoughts: Post in the comments and let me know which of these books you've read, which you plan to, which you wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole. [Or try and explain the L.A. Candy situation.]

This Week's Best Sellers (07/24/2009)

Weekly Feature: Here's a run-down of what's hot at the book stores this week (according to the NY Times lists posted online on 7/17/09, print version 7/24/09):


Hardcover Fiction
1. Black Hills by Nora Roberts ($26.95)
2. Swimsuit by James Patterson and Maxine Paetro ($27.99)
3. Finger Lickin' Fifteen by Janet Evanovich ($27.95)

Trade Paperback Fiction
1. The Shack by William P. Young ($14.99)
2. The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo by Stieg Larsson ($14.95)
3. The Guernsey Literary Potato Peel and Pie Society by Mary Ann Shaffer and Annie Barrows ($14.00)

Mass Market Paperback Fiction
1. My Sister's Keeper by Jodi Picoult ($7.99)
2. TailSpin by Catherine Coulter ($7.99)
3. Hidden Currents by Christine Feehan ($7.99)

Children's Books (Chapter Books)/Young Adult Fiction
1. L.A. Candy by Lauren Conrad ($17.99)
2. Along for the Ride by Sarah Dessen ($19.99)
3. The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins ($17.99)

My Thoughts:

• Congrats to Nora Roberts for knocking James Patterson off his perch after only a week. Things have been really shaking on this portion of the list, lots of good "beach reads" being released and people are snapping them up. I can always get behind people reading books and keeping the wheels of commerce moving.
• Amongst trade paperback, we've got a new number one and Stieg Larsson re-entered the "medal winners" for the week. He's probably being helped by the post-humous release of the second book in this series, The Girl Who Played With Fire; this comes out in English in hardback next week.
• Amongst mass market paperback, Picoult is back on top and Catherine Coulter jumped into the fray with her twelfth book in the FBI Thrillers series that came out earlier this month.
• No real change from last week on the YA list, except for the nonfiction title slipping below third place. But I really don't get it. Lauren Conrad, people? Aren't we buying anything else? You can't blame me, I went to the bookstore on Monday and bought two YA books that were not written by Lauren Conrad. Are you guilty? [Perhaps the most alarming thing, in my opinion, is that there is a planned sequel for L.A. Candy. Lord help us all.]

Your Thoughts: Post in the comments and let me know which of these books you've read, which you plan to, which you are going to avoid like a plague of locusts. Thoughts on the new books on the list?

This Week's Best Sellers (07/17/2009)

Weekly Feature: Here's a run-down of what's hot at the book stores this week (according to the NY Times lists posted online on 7/10/09, print version 7/17/09):

Hardcover Fiction
1. Swimsuit by James Patterson and Maxine Paetro ($27.99)
2. Finger Lickin' Fifteen by Janet Evanovich ($27.95)
3. The Apostle by Brad Thor ($26.99)

Trade Paperback Fiction
1. My Sister's Keeper by Jodi Picoult ($16.00)
2. The Shack by William P. Young ($14.99)
3. The Guernsey Literary Potato Peel and Pie Society by Mary Ann Shaffer and Annie Barrows ($14.00)

Mass Market Paperback Fiction
1. Hidden Currents by Christine Feehan ($7.99)
2. My Sister's Keeper by Jodi Picoult ($7.99)
3. Fearless Fourteen by Janet Evanovich ($7.99)

Children's Books (Chapter Books)/Young Adult Fiction
1. L.A. Candy by Lauren Conrad ($17.99)
2. Along for the Ride by Sarah Dessen ($19.99)
3. [Nonfiction Title]
4. The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins ($17.99)

My Thoughts:

• Congrats to James Patterson and his co-writer in knocking Janet Evanovich off her perch after only a week. I love a little mix-up on the charts. Also, very cool that Brad Thor made the list bringing three entirely different genres to the list. I'm a little bit saddened that it's all genre fiction at the top of the charts (and not my beloved literary fiction), but what can you do?
• Amongst trade paperback, no changes from last week.
• Amongst mass market paperback, we have a new number one, which is the seventh book in the Drake Sisters series (all of which have made this list). Christine keeps putting them out and people keep snatching them up.
• No change from last week on the YA list, but I'll say it again: Lord help us all on the YA Fiction. Seriously? Lauren Conrad's book is #1. Shoot me if I ever mention wanting to read that.

Your Thoughts: Post in the comments and let me know which of these books you've read, which you plan to, which you are going to avoid like a plague of locusts. Thoughts on the new books on the list?

This Week's Best Sellers (07/10/2009)

Weekly Feature: Here's a run-down of what's hot at the book stores this week (according to the NY Times lists posted online on 7/3/09, print version 7/10/09):

Hardcover Fiction
1. Finger Lickin' Fifteen by Janet Evanovich ($27.95)
2. The Doomsday Key by James Rollins ($27.99)
3. Knockout by Catherine Coulter ($26.95)

Trade Paperback Fiction
1. My Sister's Keeper by Jodi Picoult ($16.00)
2. The Shack by William P. Young ($14.99)
3. The Guernsey Literary Potato Peel and Pie Society by Mary Ann Shaffer and Annie Barrows ($14.00)

Mass Market Paperback Fiction
1. My Sister's Keeper by Jodi Picoult ($7.99)
2. Fearless Fourteen by Janet Evanovich ($7.99)
3. Dead Until Dark by Charlaine Harris ($7.99)

Children's Books (Chapter Books)/Young Adult Fiction
1. L.A. Candy by Lauren Conrad ($17.99)
2. Along for the Ride by Sarah Dessen ($19.99)
3. [Nonfiction Title]
4. The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins ($17.99)

My Thoughts:

• I don't plan to read any of those fiction hardbacks (they're all genre books that don't look too appealing to me, although my sister picked up Finger Lickin' Fifteen because she reads all this series).
• Amongst trade paperback, I do plan to read My Sister's Keeper, but I'm going to do it after I watch the movie (I can still enjoy it then... if I read it first then I'm pretty sure I'll end up hating the movie... that's how I do), and to read The Guernsey Literary... once that book goes on a bigger sale. I know I'm painfully behind the times on that one, but I'm sure I'll enjoy it when I get around to it.
• Amongst mass market paperback, I won't read Fearless Fourteen (see point #1 above in this section), I have read Dead Until Dark (I gave up on the series then, but my sister has read them all, and now shouts at the TV every Sunday night about how badly True Blood does at adapting them). I'll probably check out My Sister's Keeper in a non-mass market version (I don't really like trying to keep the pages held back and stuff with these thicker, smaller-paged books... I'm lazy like that).
• Lord help us all on the YA Fiction. Seriously? Lauren Conrad's book is #1. Shoot me if I ever mention wanting to read that. I've never read any Sarah Dessen books (somebody I was reading online said if you'd read one, then you've read them all), and if I decide to venture into her world, I'll probably start with The Truth About Forever. I do plan to read The Hunger Games (and the rest of this series) when they get released in a cheaper format than just hardback.

Your Thoughts: Post in the comments and let me know which of these books you've read, which you plan to, which you are going to avoid like a plague of locusts.

Best Selling Fiction Chart

This morning I was going to write up how I have been flabbergasted for some time (probably four weeks) that Breaking Dawn was still listed in the #1 spot on the Entertainment Weekly Best Selling Fiction chart in the magazine I got this weekend. I have been honestly surprised that the book is still selling that well.

Anyhoo... I went to EW.com to try and figure out the source of their stats and, lo and behold, Breaking Dawn has been broken! Finally Oprah's book club selection (aka, the Sure Fire Bet to getting to the top of the charts), The Story of Edgar Sawtale, is ranked #1.

Although I'm pleased about this shake-up in the charts, it puts me in a bit of a sticky whicket. I have been meaning to read The Story of Edgar Sawtale ever since it was recommended in my local library's "New Fiction" email blast a little bit back, but I'm still #60 in the queue for them to loan the tome into my hot little hands. The "sticky whicket" part of this situation is that I despise Oprah Winfrey and her book club (although I like the idea that she gets people reading, I hate her book club because it is tainted with Oprah-ness). I don't like to read books on her book club's list (at least not until some time after the hype has settled down) so as to not be associated with Oprah--I also try to find versions of the book that don't have that stupid "Oprah's Book Club" logo on them.

I'm irritated at Oprah for having stolen Edgar away from me... cheapening him (making him all commercial and stuff). My dislike of this situation has now tainted my joy of seeing Stephenie Meyer knocked off her pedestal of immortal children and broken dreams.

(By the way, for the nerds reading this, EW posts the Publisher's Weekly charts, which are based on the previous week's sales. Additionally, factors such as whether data from only chains v. chains, independents and wholesalers v. chains and independents only is collected influence the various "Best Seller" lists.)